Showing posts with label chronology. Show all posts
Showing posts with label chronology. Show all posts

Tuesday, February 09, 2010

Christianity: When was Exodus and who was the Pharoah

Amenhotep II and the Historicity of the Exodus Pharaoh

Well per this article 25 April 1446 BC
which is good as around the date usually determined directly from Bible chronology

Most people would say that Pharaoh died in the Red Sea when the seas covered the Egyptian army. The article presents that he did not. Which of course also applies if Exodus was under Ramses II (seems to be the main conventional candidate)

Interesting contention that Hatshepsut was the Princess who was Moses step mother and that after Exodus Amenhotep II tried to destroy her memorials rather than it being Thutmose III.

A major point is made on Amenhotep only having two campaigns north - the second being after the loss of his army in the Red Sea. He did it to show that Egyptian power was not destroyed and also to obtain slaves. Then he signed a peace treaty with Mitanni. Presumably with a small force he had managed to acquire slaves but not a major campaign against Mitanni.

Interesting and is a well argued approach and does place Exodus at what I think is a good date

Then there is David Rohl's approach which does place Exodus at a similar date but under Dudimose. Rohl's New Chronology places Pharoah at different dates compared to the Conventional dates


Following pages on his view
Did the Exodus Happen? Answering the Sceptics

Biblical Archaeology Review: Feature 1 Sidebar 1

The Exodus, Joseph, Jericho … Harmonized With Eqyptian Chronology « TruthMatters.info

Most will tell you that Exodus is not in Egyptian records ..............

Manetho wrote that that in the reign of Dudimose (the Pharoah of the Exodus under the New Chronology), ‘a blast of God smote us’
 

Monday, October 06, 2008

Chronology - sites I am reading

The Age of the Earth

Akhenaten - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Immanuel Velikovsky - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ever since I read Immanuel back in 1970s I have been concerned about Egyptian conventional dating

The Revision of Ancient History: Revised Chronologies SIS has a great summary and actually is leading back to Velikovsky's theories

The Immanuel Velikovsky Archive


A CHRONOLOGICAL MODEL FOR THE 1st AND 2nd MILLENNIUM BC Part 1: THE CHRONOLOGY OF EGYPT AND ISRAEL


Old Testament Studies - Reliability and Chronology


NewChronology : David Rohl

Synopsis of David Rohl's book "A Test of Time" by John Fulton

ISIS - Journal of the Ancient Chronology Forum


Centuries of Darkness by Peter James, I. J. Thorpe, Nikos Kokkinos, Robert Morkot & John Frankish

The Megiddo Expedition


Bernard Newgrosh at Troubador Publishing
Bernard is a major contributor at the list at NewChronology : David Rohl
and he has published a book on NC
Chronology at the Crossroads - The Late Bronze Age in Western Asia - Matador Non-Fiction - Bernard Newgrosh

Not saying I agree with them just that I am reading

Some great reference material

The Jewish Theological Seminary - JANES

10/2008 I now am watching DVD by David Rohl on test of Time and Bible is it myth or reality

and have a look at Charles Kimball on Chronology
A Biblical Interpretation of World History, Chapter 1


Monday, June 02, 2008

Ramses II by Christiane Desroches Noblecourt

Ramses II : an illustrated biography by Christiane
Desroches Noblecourt
1996 - English language edition 2007.
The illustrations are magnificent.

I read this re my interest in Chronology - and posted this to Yahoo list on NC

I thought some dates that "the preeminent specist
on Ramses II" per jacket blurb provides might be
of interest.

Horemheb 1327-1295
(an illustration immediately alongside that text
says "reigned 1333-1306" I cannot understand that
as in text she goes on to say died 1295)

1295 Ramses son of Seti and Tuya would have been
in fifth year and would have seen crowning of Ram I

Seti takes 7 year old Ram II on expedition into
Canaan and Ram I makes Seti co-regent and then
dies just under 2 years after Horemheb with whom
he shared the rule.

Year 7-8 of Seti a peace treaty with Muwatallis
and in the ensuing time of peace Seti makes Ram II
co-regent

Year 14-15 of Seti when nearly 50 he dies and Ram
II just turned 25

Fifth year of Ram II when 30 his second Syrian
expedition and Battle of Kadesh

69th year when 92 he dies in 1213 - she discusses
up to 14th Jubilee celebrations.

Perhaps her opinion of events and years of reign
help discussions

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Christiane tries to discuss placing Exodus at time
of Ram II and suggests year 7 when he and
Imenherkhepeshef (eldest son) were on a dual
punitive expedition into Edom and Moab. "Clues
though are few and far between". (I'd agree with
that I just cannot see Ram II the Great as Pharaoh
of Exodus)

Much discussion in book on eldest changing name
later as Imen... disappears from the record. Of
course if he was the first born at the time of
Exodus then he was not around ......

Friday, August 04, 2006

David Rohl - books and websites on his NEW Chronology

David Rohl - books and websites on his NEW Chronology
His site is http://www.nunki.net/
I have always been interested in archaeology and many years ago read Immanuel Velikovsky and his views on the chronology of Egypt. Which did lead to me being concerned about the dates given to certain Pharaohs. Not that I accepted all of Velikovsky's ideas and the big problem was that he died before he wrote the book that tied up the loose ends. Rohl is not as extreme and I do admire the way he accepts that the Holy Bible may be correct and is a good source of historical evidence. Centuries of Darkness by Peter James see http://www.centuries.co.uk/ is I think a more orthodox discussion of the problems. The big questions for me are When was Exodus and to clarify the time frame of King David and King Solomon and which Pharaohs are meant when mentioned in the Bible

Some sites with more detail

New Chronology resource page – David’s books and other useful resources all in one place!
http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net/ncresource/

Highlights List: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NewChronology2

Moderator Richard Abbott's Website:
http://www.oldtestamentstudies.net

David has a DVD on Exodus and Moses which I would like to know more about.
Please do not confuse that DVD with one being sold in Bookshops
The Exodus Revealed do read the reviews on Amazon as some mention some positive items in the DVD. However the focus of the film seems on the work of Ron Wyatt see http://s93614334.onlinehome.us/religion/Exodus_Revealed/index.html

I think this critique is sound and I am concerned that works like this DVD are around to confuse people about the truth as shown in the Bible itself.
Note: This DVD is nothing to do with David Rohl but fits into this discussion.


Wednesday, April 12, 2006

The Tutankhamen Deception by Gerald O'Farrell

The Tutankhamen Deception by Gerald O'Farrell
Absolute load of rubbish
I saw it on shelf in library and it purported to reveal how Howard Carter had really discovered King Tut's tomb years before he announced it publicly and had been stealing all the bullion from it. I thought interesting. Anyhow I got home read the preface and it acknowledged Ahmed Osman and real warning bells sounded - this guy writes books saying the Kings of Israel were really Egyptian Pharaohs. This book is just a collection of assumptions without any evidence. And finally he states that the papers found in the tomb would have revealed King Tut is really Jesus Christ - some 1500 years before His Ministry on Earth. How do these guys come up with stuff and why are they published. You can find a lot of this in www.google.com - here is one sound review http://www.secker.fsbusiness.co.uk/deception.htm